Hopefully if you have come to this page, you have read some foundational material before getting here.
Isa 28:
9: Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
12: To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
I am preaching more than milk here and am getting to more meaty matters. Milk is foundational.
Heb 5:
12: For when for the time you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13: For every one that uses milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14: But strong meat belongs to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Heb 6:
1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2: Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
The "rest" spoken of in Isa 28:12 is the rest one achieves when they separate the soul from the spirit.
Heb 4:
4: For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
8: For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9: There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10: For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11: Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I discuss the difference between the soul and the spirit here:
People can get caught up in soulish religiousness. Doing work for God without doing His will or without doing it His way is dead works and is a stench in His nose.
Isa 64:6 ¶ But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Math 7:
21: Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
I am not talking about the loss of salvation. This is a matter of the Kingdom of God vs common salvation which I discuss here:
Isa 1:
13: Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14: Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15: And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Heb:6:1: Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb:9:14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Isa 64:6 ¶ But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
By the way, the "filthy rags" in Isa 64:6 should actually be translated as menstrual cloth! And that is what our self righteousness is like to God!
You see ministry from the soul is brass when God wants gold. When King Solomon built the temple in the Old Testament all the utensils and tools were made of gold. Later these were taken out and King Rehoboam substituted brass for gold. Read Kings 6:20-30, 7:48-50. Then read 2 Chron 12:9-10. Brass looks alot like gold but it is a substitution and is not of God.
Sometimes we get brass, because we mix God's word with tradition, or we deny the power of God.
Mark 7:13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
2 Tim 3:5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Most of us have heard of the Reformation. Out of the Dark Ages, when many of God's truth's were lost, men of God began seeing new truths in scripture which traditions and enemies of the cross had taken away. But many such movements simply added the new truth to the old. God can and has used such mixture. But the perfect, the gold, cannot ever come from such.
1 Co 3:11 ¶ For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2 Tim 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
To obtain the pure, you need a new container and not mix the precious with the vile.
Luke 5: MKJV
37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. Else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskin will perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved together.
39 Also no one having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, The old is better.
When you put new wine into old wine skins, eventually it will burst open and some will be lost. How often have we seen division in the church because new truth was added to the old? Sometimes this caused many to reject the new (losing the new wine because it was spilled).
God wants the old wineskins destroyed.
AMPLIFIED Jeremiah 48:11 Moab has been at ease from his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine] and has not been drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone into exile. Therefore his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed.
12 Therefore behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware) in pieces.
The Lord is sending apostles and prophets to break the old wine skins in the earth today. Tradition has corrupted the church and its doctrines. It is apostles and prophets who build the foundation of the church.
Eph:2:20: And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone
The problem is some men of God have gone astray in this. Some have taken the new truths and camped on them and forgot about following the cloud further. See the baptism of the cloud here:
Many have seen prophets who are abusive, sometimes we call it "Fire and Brimstone". It is true that there must be a type of destructive work by prophets.
Jer 1:
5: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
10: See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
You see Jeremiah was called to be a prophet and thus he had to "to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down" but he also had to "build, and to plant". We see stories in the Old Testament where prophets called down fire and people were smitten. Two of Jesus' disciples wanted to do this:
Luke 9:
52: And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53: And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
54: And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55: But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them...
Paul spoke on this matter as well:
Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
There is a balance here. We did see Jesus get angry, but He also was here to save men. It is religiousness not men which must be destroyed here.
Years ago, when I was in Discipleship/Bible school I had a vision. In the vision I saw the two-edged sword coming out of Jesus' mouth as scripture tells us:
Mt:10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Eph:6:17: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
Rv:19:15: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
I was very surprised when I saw the sword come out of His mouth, because it came out handle 1st and the point last. And He explained why this is so. When we minister the sword, which is the Word of God, we do so to preserve people, not to take them out. We are to show them, and train them to use the sword themselves. It is only against demons that we use the point of the sword, or against their works, like false teachings. But to get at those false teachings, we can't hack away at our brothers.
2Tm:2:25: In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
1Cor:4:21: What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?
2Cor:10:1: Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you
Gal:6:1: Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
We cannot purify someone else's soul, they must use meekness themselves in receiving God's word.
James 1:21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Lets read more about this in Jeremiah:
Jer 31:
28: And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29: In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30: But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You see this? God told Jeremiah that there will be tearing down, but He goes on to say that people will know when the grapes are sour, the wine is old. Then the Lord shows the New Covenant and describes how each believer will have the Holy Spirit and can be taught by Him. We need to flee mob mentality in the church. We all know what I mean, many have said, "I am a Catholic, and my parents were Catholics, and so were their parents." Or even, "I am a Lutheran because my parents were Lutherans." But we have also seen some of these wineskins burst. Look at the Catholic church in the United States, they are running out of priests and have to get priests from other countries. We also see church splits and some churches close down.
God is not anyone's Grandpa. He has no grandchildren. You cannot get to God through your parents. God isn't going to respect you because of your parents.
Rom 9: ESV
6 ... For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring... 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
John 1: LITV
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name,
13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.
Family ties can keep us in old wine skins. One of the qualifications of being a disciple is putting Jesus before your family. From one of my other pages:
1.Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters... he cannot be My disciple."
Does anyone have hold on your life, that interferes with God's will in your life? Is there anyone you won't give up for God? Is there someone you love more than God? If so, you can't be a true disciple. He does not want you to be unkind, but He speaks of preference. He also does not speak of abandonment, although in a rare situation, He might, if you are in an abusive situation or something similar (in such case seek more help).
Luke 12:51-53 "Do you suppose I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother; mother-in-law against daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
1 Tim 5:8 " But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever."
Remember there is balance in all things. But let God be 1st in your life.
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We are not running in an Old Testament priesthood any more, every believer is a priest and has entrance to God. The term laity is unbiblical and wrong. It's not a church with laity and ministers, we are all priests. This is why Jesus warned the church about the laity train of thought.
Rev 2:
6: But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
The word "laity" is found in the Greek word "Nicolaitans". I suggest this page from an elder brother of mine in the Lord, which speaks more of this:
I am not saying it is unbiblical to have teachers. For Jesus sent us teachers and other ministers:
Eph 4:
8: Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
11: And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers
But we also can have the Holy Spirit teach us and through Him in us, we can know when we are given old wine and stale manna.
1 John 2:27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
You see, way back in the Old Testament, God prophesied that even His New Covenant would have abuse and error, and He sent prophets telling us of false and abusive shepherds.
Eze 34:8
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock
Zec 11:17
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
This why He also told us we would have a habitation of shepherds. The pasture can be a home for shepherds, and all in the pasture can be shepherds. This is the priesthood of the believer.
Jer 33:12: Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Again in this place, which is desolate without man and without beast, and in all the cities thereof, shall be an habitation of shepherds causing their flocks to lie down.
This is why the church has failed. This is why there is division. "Wait a minute," some would say, "How can you say the church has failed. Didn't Jesus prophesy that the Gates of Hell will not prosper against the church?" He sure did. There are different kinds and levels of failure and I discuss this point indepth here:
So many today are fleeing the corporate church scene and going to home churches. I am not telling folks to abandon the church or churches. There still are many good churches out there. We all need to follow Christ our Chief Shepherd and let Him guide us to the pasture He wants us at.
But many churches have brass. The have taken the business corporation structure and incorporated into church government. And you know God has blessed such things, but such blessings have been limited and have not been the full blessings of God. God uses what He can, because He wants people saved, Spirit filled, and walking in His Kingdom. But the time is near at hand when His Hand is near. He has prophesied to us a great shaking. This shaking is needed to break the old wine bottles.
MKJV Heb 12:
25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape, those who refused him that spoke on earth, much more we shall not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from Heaven,
26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, "Yet once more I will not only shake the earth, but also the heavens."
27 And this word , "Yet once more," signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, so that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
This shaking is what I pointed towards earlier when I quoted this:
AMPLIFIED Jeremiah 48:11 Moab has been at ease from his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine] and has not been drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone into exile. Therefore his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed.
12 Therefore behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware) in pieces.
As Heb 12:25 says, we shouldn't ignore His voice. But we have a choice. We can willingly fall on the Stone of Offence and be broken or He will fall on us and crush us to bits.
Math 21: MKJV
44 And he who falls on this Stone shall be broken, but on whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
And so, He is sending forth His prophets to speak to us before the shaking comes. Perhaps we will shake ourselves, and get rid of the old wine skins.
When the Lord comes it will change everything. He will only rapture half the church. I discuss this at length here:
The half that is left behind will unite into 2 camps. One part will join a new One World Religion in Rome and will deny the real Christ, the other part will repent and turn to the Lord. And the part who is with Rome, will work with the Anti-christ and will persecute those left in the church and they will flee into the wilderness.
Rev 12:
6: And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
13: And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14: And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
17: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
What is interesting is the correlation between this in Revelation (the Tribulation period) and what was prophesied through Jeremiah when he spoke of Moab not changing his scent and not being poured from vessel to vessel.
AMPLIFIED
Jer 48:6 Flee! Save your lives! But they shall be like a destitute and forsaken person in the wilderness
7 For because you have trusted in your works [your bungling idol images] and in your treasures [instead of in God], you shall also be taken. And Chemosh [your god] shall go into captivity, his priests and his princes together.
Those who do not get shaken, have taken brass instead of gold, and made God into an idol, not believing or walking in His full truth. More importantly, refusing to do so. Thus why they are left behind, but many of them will repent afterwards.
9 Give wings to Moab, for [by that means only] she will flee and get away; her cities will be desolate, without any to dwell in them.
10 Cursed be he who does the work of the Lord negligently [with slackness, deceitfully]; and cursed be he who keeps back his sword from blood [in executing judgment pronounced by the Lord].
Do not these wings sound like the wings from Rev 12? The negligence here may refer to the poor shepherds who have not fed the sheep properly, or the believer who did not diligently search out the scriptures for the truth.
11 Moab has been at ease from his youth, and he has settled on his lees [like wine] and has not been drawn off from one vessel to another, neither has he gone into exile. Therefore his taste remains in him, and his scent has not changed.
12 Therefore behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware) in pieces.
13 And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh [his god], as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel, their confidence. [I Kings 12:28, 29.]
15 Moab has been made desolate, and his cities have gone up [in smoke and flame]; and his chosen young men have gone down to the slaughter, says the King, Whose name is the Lord of hosts.
Verse 13 may refer to the repentance after the rapture. The desolation of 15 may refer to the rapture (cities have gone up), or to those who forsook Christ and went to Rome's One World Religion, or to those being martyred for their faith.
25 The horn (strength) of Moab is cut off, and his arm [of authority] is shattered, says the Lord.
There has been much debate over who is the restrainer in...
2 Thes 2:7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
I believe Jer 48:25 may refer to this prophetically, because Jesus says the church is the salt.
Math 5:13: Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
The church is the salt. The light of Christ working through us keeps back the work of darkness. When the rapture occurs satan will not be hindered by the salt and can send the anti-christ. The church left behind will now find a loss of strength and authority in the realm of the world. They will be outlawed and no longer tolerated.
33 Joy and gladness are taken away from the fruitful orchards and fields and from the land of Moab. And I have made the juice [of the grape] to fail from what is pressed out in the vats; no one treads [the grapes] with shouting. Their shouting is no shouting [of joy, but is a battle cry].
That verse preaches a multitude of things. The joy may be missed from the oppression the church will have, but they also will lose the joy of the fruitful fields, for the harvest field will be about empty. There won't be any more evangelistic crusades and leading the many lost to Christ. We also see in this verse about the grapes, that they are not worked with shouting. Grapes are used for wine. They are tread in vats to make wine. This may speak of 2 things. One, there will no longer be division and arguments over the interpretation of wine, there will be doctrinal unity. Two, this may refer to the church's judgment at being tread upon during the tribulation, because they would not repent before the rapture came. I speak about the judgment of the believer in these grape vats here:
35 Moreover, I will cause to cease in Moab, says the Lord, the one who ascends and offers in the high place and the one who burns incense to his gods.
This again points toward a corporate wide repentance, and sorrow for the brass they had followed. By the way, many believe the nation Israel will also have a corporate repentance at this time, and thus fulfill Paul's prophecy that the entire nation will be saved.
40 For thus says the Lord: Behold, he [Babylon] shall fly swiftly like an eagle and shall spread out his wings against Moab. [Ezek. 17:3.]
This prophesies the return of Babylon which will persecute the church. I speak of preparing for it's arrival here:
This is a long introduction to some teachings that I know will be resisted. I want you to ask yourself, are you resisting this because it doesn't fit in your wineskin? Remember we take on entire different realms of interpretation based upon what wineskin we have. Thus the need for a new wineskin, which is based upon the word of God alone, and no traditions. This is a work upon the Foundational Principles, which most churches never even heard of let alone taught. You can find teachings on these Foundational Principles here: Foundational Principles.
I admonish everyone to do as these people did:
Acts:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Do not throw out teachings because a shepherd say's so, or a denomination say's so, or a family member say's so, or even if your reason or stance say's so. This is the old wineskin talking. We toss out teachings because they are unbiblical. That should be the only say so.
I have a family member who is involved in the Catholic church. Years ago a friend of his led him to the Lord and got him born again. He went from the 1st baptism to the 2nd. When I got baptized in the Holy Ghost (the 3rd baptism) within the Catholic church, I invited this family member to do likewise. They told me they didn't have time in their life for such things. Oh man, that's addiction to the old wine skin!
Luke 16:
16: Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17: And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18: And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19: And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20: And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21: So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22: And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23: And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
24: For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Even though they won't get to the wedding, they haven't lost their salvation, and Jesus will come for them after the wedding. And though they didn't make it to the feast, Jesus will feed them Himself, because they went and got new wine skins after the shaking.
Luke 12: NKJV
35 "Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
I have recently made a video on the teaching of the Baptism of the Cloud and the New Wine Skin as seen on these pages. If you prefer to watch or listen to that, it is found near the bottom of this page.
